It costs too much and Griffin is not bad when you learn to use World Info and Remember correctly. You're losing your free users as well as premium users, I'd prefer to play Griffin only than nothing at all. You can still keep premium membership for beta testing; customisation; paid worlds and scenarios; paid features; etc.
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07 Nov, '20
A Stolen ScreamIf I may make a comment of my own, I know that Dragon is pretty much your pride. I don't blame you guys for trying to keep it afloat, but when it supposedly so expensive that you are willing to make the announcement of an e-bar despite realising how poorly the community will recieve it?
It's not an easy thing we ask of you. I recognise that it's actually kind of horrible to ask it. But AI Dungeon doesn't belong solely to the devs anymore. There's a whole community surrounding this project- and it's slowly being torn appart by those costs. I don't want to see the friends I've made on the dungeon go over something like this, and so many already have.
Please discontinue Dragon, or scale the complexity back a lot.
And if you discontinue Dragon, sell the hardware. Even at half-price, it should cover a great deal of money.
Again, so sorry for the statement- but I think something needs to be done about Dragon. -
07 Nov, '20
Flummoxed BuffoonThere's a post about it from someone else if people would like to read:
https://play.aidungeon.io/main/postView?publicId=0b1c27e2-5fa7-42e6-8d84-60b2580ca3ad -
07 Nov, '20
A Stolen ScreamOh. Yeah that was me.
I wrote it because of the other post which contained so many outraged people pledging to refuse to remove their subs without even hearing the dev's side of the story.
Whether it's a reliable picture of the devs or not, I can't say.
But too many are seeing the bar controversy and leaving without a second thought. It's already gotten out of hand. -
07 Nov, '20
Devon AdminThey cant sell their hardware because they don't own the hardware.
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08 Nov, '20
Pixle@Devon, Who owns the hardware? Even if you can't sell the hardware, I think stopping Dragon and stopping renting the hardware would be for the best considering how the cost build-up is so overwhelming. I honestly hate telling you guys to stop something you put so much effort in, because I have some development experience and I think I get how you feel. Nobody will really understand the blood sweat and tears you probably poured into it, but if there is that much cost, you need to at least put a pause on the Dragon model and find a stable way to maintain the site for the time being until you can get enough money to continue again. The best case scenario is that you can find a stable way of income after you temporarily shut Dragon down.
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08 Nov, '20
A Stolen ScreamDevon, that's kind of a shame, because it would have been a quicker and easier (but admittedly just as controversial) way of getting money than the energy.
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08 Nov, '20
terrible ideai’m subscribed for dragon specifically, the difference is night and day. They lose me if they kill the engine that convinced me to get back in and subscribe on top of it. allow us to invest more and we will. 30$ for the top tier can’t be enough to cover heavy use. let people have vanity subscriptions: 100$ a month and you literally just get a special badge that shows you’re keeping the lights on for everyone for example.
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08 Nov, '20
56enu657uh567"But i love dragon!"
And you are willing to pay... what was it? 150€ per month?
Pretty sure it was said somewhere, i THINK by Devon, that 150€ is the cost per player per month.
Either they get that, or they will have to shut down. (That was not said by anyone, but it is pretty obvious.) -
08 Nov, '20
Devon AdminModern server hardware is generally rented, most websites don't own their own hardware and instead use a service like AWS or Microsoft Cloud. Also a lot of people are like @terrible idea, they subscribe only for dragon. 30$ tier people will likely still run a loss although lower than before.
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09 Nov, '20
SydWhat Devon and terrible idea said. I come here for GPT-3, I'd pay more, and the energy bar shouldn't affect anyone who is actually reading the story the machine is telling them.
Anyways, I forwarded this complaint to GPT-3, who said "Don't like it? Create your own AI then." (seriously, thats what it said.) That's pretty harsh imho, but if someone want GPT-3 gone because the energy bar slows down their button-mashing, then they are part of the actual problem. This is why we can't have nice things. -
09 Nov, '20
Flummoxed BuffoonI think you misunderstood me, I meant that if Dragon costs too much to maintain they should stop it at least momentarily. Personally, I'd be content with Griffin and don't mind the stamina system. Again, I'd rather see them stop one model than not having the means to maintain both.
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09 Nov, '20
SydOK I get it, I hear you, but there's a lot of people here specifically for GPT-3 (which is literally a billion-dollars project due to its potential), so a better solution might be to put limits on Dragon to prevent overuse. I think the energy bar was an attempt at that.. the users who cost AI Dungeon more can pay more. If they do consider stopping Dragon due to cost, then I'd see no reason not to put limits on Dragon instead. A throttled Dragon, or pay-per-prompt, is certainly better than none at all.
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11 Nov, '20
Jonathan CopelandI am with Syd, I would like Dragon / GPT-3 to be kept, even if it means users who want to use it paying a higher premium to use it. It has HUGE potential - it came up with several really good ideas for dealing with the COVID pandemic, after all!
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11 Nov, '20
SydThe current pricing tiers seem to have solved this for now. Nobody likes paying more, but it's very fair and Dragon is worth :30bux: I'm happy they found a solution that keeps both Griffin and Dragon!
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22 Nov, '20
Kurumi TokisakiI'm another one who subs just for Dragon, if the game was still on Griffin I probably would've stopped after the initial fascination, but Dragon makes such incredible AI-generated journeys. If OpenAI would just release the model and there was a standalone AI Dungeon 3 released, I'd hook up 4 Tesla a100 80GB models as soon as possible and be content with that... But then the devs of AID wouldn't get money so I'd rather continue supporting them.
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10 Dec, '20
Jacob HarrisI just play with Griffin since I'm a kid and aren't old enough to get a credit card, let alone a job.